Welcome back to the Art of Charmed Podcast to show normally dedicated social skills, but obviously with this frightening virus going around, we are encouraging everyone to self quarantine and socially distance yourselves until we can lower the curve and get this thing to pass.

Yeah, and there's a saying that I love four times like these, which is never let a good crisis go to waste. What are you going to do during this time to elevate yourself, to level up to be better?

Exactly. Now is a great time to invest in yourself looking at working from home, avoiding that commute. What are you doing with those extra minutes hours maybe for those of you who commute to work?

How are you investing in yourself to grow? Is there another show on Netflix you could binge is there something you missed on Hulu all this time that it's going to pop up right now?

Well, March madness is canceled. I mean, there's not anything left to entertain us now is the time to invest in yourself to and yes, and reap to rewards of investing in yourself. This is a great time to build new habits to learn new skills and come out of this a new person.

Yes, and absolutely look at some self reflection in the time that we now have where we're not commuting, we're working from home and we have probably nothing but a little bit of boredom on our hands.

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Welcome back to the art of charm podcast. I'm AJ and I'm Johnny and of course we need to live a life with meaning with value to ultimately get through the dark times like these and that's why we're excited today to be talking to Sasha Sagan.

She's the author of the book for small creatures such as we rituals for finding meaning in your unlikely world.

Sasha is the daughter of the astronomer and educator Carl Sagan and writer producer and science educator and ruin her book is really a homage to living with curiosity learning about the world around us and creating meaningful rituals.

For those of you are long time listeners you know that a lot of what we cover here on the show and in our training revolves around perpetual learning and building healthy routines and you might have heard us share our company values one of which is we believe something magical happens when science meets creativity.

So you can imagine that we're pretty pumped today to get a chance to have Sasha on the show and talk about how we can start adding more meaning into our lives.

Thank you for being with us here today Sasha so excited to talk to you about growing up with two parents that made it their purpose to educate people about science.

Thank you for joining us. I'm delighted to be here. Thank you for having me.

Now obviously having two parents who are famous scientific minds and well reasoned in their thinking.

I'd love to hear just a little bit of the backstory of what it was like growing up in that household.

Yeah, I mean I often say like the best thing I could do when I was a little kid was ask my parents a question to which they didn't know the answer.

And they were just so enthusiastic about curiosity that if I was sort of pushing the envelope to something that they as learned adults didn't know this is like cause for celebration.

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