This is The Reason interview with Nick Gillespie. Thanks for listening.

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it seriously, so I appreciate that. Back in June, I traveled to Denver with my reason colleague

Zach Wise Miller to cover the Psychedelic Science 2020 conference, which was organized by the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic

Studies or MAPS.

MAPS is a group that's been working to gain FDA approval of MDMA-assisted therapy

for PTSD and related ailments since the late 1980s.

That approval is likely to come in the next year.

We produced a 30-minute documentary about what is rightly, I think, being called today's psychedelic renaissance or a new flourishing of substances and subcultures that almost completely

went underground at the end of the 60s, but are now popping

up everywhere like mushrooms after a rainstorm.

You know, people are talking about psychedelics and medical research, therapeutic settings,

the arts, optimizing your job performance, you name it.

People are talking about psychedelics everywhere. You can watch

that documentary at reason.com in our video vertical, or you can go to YouTube.com slash reason TV.

But check it out. The most surprising speaker at the conference, at the psychedelic science conference,

by a country mile was former Republican, Texas

Governor and Trump administration energy secretary Rick Perry. What intonation was a conservative

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