Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran, grudgingly agreeing to appear on the

masked singer, on your new manager's advice, or else a scrappy upstart, grudgingly agreeing to

play last at the open mic. This is your show, because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the second Friday of June, 2023, and I thank you for joining us.

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