Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

and their process on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, shaking down a tribute band that plays your songs for royalties,

or else a scrappy upstart, thinking that BMI and ASCAP are acronyms that describe esoteric diets.

This is your show, because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an iron-clad excuse to put off, actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the third Friday of June 2023, and I thank you for joining us.

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