Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether

you're a grizzled veteran who got to retire early from the 2006 ringtone

royalty gold rush, or else a scrappy upstart, with a song that has been streamed over 10 million

times but still can't pay your phone bill, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most,

an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the first Friday of June, 2023, and I thank you for joining us.

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