Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Coppelman. Thanks for listening. My guest today is

Rich Cohen, who is a great writer. He's written some books that I've read more than once. I think he's written 16 books. I've definitely read 10 of 16, which is a very, very high.

You know, I didn't read the one about some Chicago teams because, uh, I mean, I'm from New York.

His new book is called

When the game was war, the NBA's greatest season.

If you've been listening to this podcast

or you know me in any way, you know what a big

NBA person I am and how much the NBA means to me.

The book before this though, which is called The Adventures of Herbie Cone,

world's greatest negotiator.

Rich, I have to say, and you know this is so,

because we talked and had lunch.

I think that's a monumental achievement, man I'm so grateful that you wrote this this father-son story when you did

Because I think it explains a lot of your work and it even in a way

This book is suffused with your pop.

I went, did that book, did the Herbie book feel watershed to you in any way?

Yeah, it felt like underneath everything because people people talk about like I seem to have no common I have no beat. I'm writing non-fiction books but they're about what seemingly are completely different topics like the

Rolling Stones and my father and the Cubs and Jerry Wine Trap

Jewish gangsters you know but they are all they're connected like under the soil at the root is the way I feel that at the root is really my family and my father

That's what I think too. Yeah reading them that's what I feel right so I felt like the book about my father is sort of the source code for everything else I do.

And even this basketball book because my father was a basketball coach.

There's a whole basketball thing in it.

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