Hey, this is the moment.

I'm Brian Copplement.

Thanks for listening.

Michael Lewis is my guest today.

I only met Michael in the last year, but as your readers do, man, I feel like I've known

you a long time and your work has been incredibly important to me.

As a writer, the way you're able to enlist us in the story and in point of view is something

that I've thought about a lot and tried to understand your gift is remarkable, the series

of gifts that you have.

Your new book is probably even getting more attention than you anticipated.

Though you knew it was going to get an extraordinary amount of attention going infinite the

rise and fall of a new tycoon about Sam Bankman freed and the collapse of crypto.

We're going to talk a lot about the book and about your approach in your other books,

but I thought it might be useful to start with a couple of working definitions.

Here's how I was thinking about it.

As someone who's written about world beaters, new thinkers, borderline sheets and total winners

and has also studied coaches very closely and reported on that, what would be your working

definition of an effective human and be as specific or as broad as you can.

Don't limit your answer to one or two things like that.

What a question.

What's an effective human?

What is a question?

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