Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. My guest today is Tyler Cowan. I heard recently you were on a podcast and someone said

Tyler doesn't need any introduction. You know, I hate when someone says that about me.

So, although I agree you don't need any introduction,

in case someone's listening and they don't really know,

also so that you know that I know.

Tyler's one of the most accomplished people, not only has come on the podcast, but who I've met.

He is the author of many books about a wide-ranging version of subjects through the prism of being a trained PhD level

economist great chess player though he might say not great subgreat but a great

chess player compared to you if you're listening unless you're

Magnus checking in and Magnus if you are hey dude thanks for being here I have no

reason to think Magnus has ever listened I think he's he'd already be bored he

knows what I'm gonna say before I say it.

Tyler is a professor. He runs various organizations. He's a terrific writer and has one of my

favorite podcasts, conversations with Tyler.

I was recently on the podcast and had a blast talking to him and

immediately asked him to join me on this podcast.

Tyler, thank you.

And we're in person, which is super fun.

Tyler, thanks for being here.

Hi, Magnus, and great to be here, Brian.

I thought a lot about how I want to have this conversation. I decided that I wanted to treat it like an Oxford tutorial.

Like you're an Oxford Don.

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