Hi, I'm Andy and welcome to Radio Headspace until Wednesday morning.

Now ordinarily, whether it's through Radio Headspace or whether it's through the headspace

app, I'm often talking about our ability and the importance of zooming out in life

to get a different sort of perspective on how we see things.

It's very often we get so caught up in the minutiae of life that we sort of tend to

overthink things and complicate things.

But at the same time, there's real value sometimes in focusing on the small details.

Now that's very different from thinking about the small details.

I mean focusing on the small details.

Few days back, I was chatting with a colleague who used to be a journalist long time ago and

one of his early assignments he was invited to go rock climbing above the ocean in Northern

England.

You know, he showed me a picture of the climb and he looks exciting but also slightly terrifying.

And he was describing the climb to me as he went up with two very experienced climbers.

Obviously he was safe, but he talked about the internal dialogue and the internal fear.

That all he could really imagine was himself halfway up this sort of 100 foot rock directly

above the waves of the ocean below.

And in his mind that conjured up a picture which was sort of completely terrifying.

And when he got to the top, he was having a conversation with one of the rock climbers

who said, well look, as climbers, as professional climbers, on some of those climbs, if we actually

stopped and considered where we were, like this tiny speck of a human hanging onto the

side of a giant cliff face on a world that spinning around, of course that would be absolutely

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