Is there anything we can't reimagine more than we realize our solutions to

social challenges are shaped by our concepts of good and bad, and enacted along lines of power.

These simplistic conversations of good and bad obscure deeper conversations.

Who are we really? What are we responsible for? And can we change?

Abolition as a political effort calls on us to dismantle our current prison system and the

violences that surround it. It also necessarily calls on us to change our culture, our habits around punishment, and the transformation of our very beings.

I was so grateful to talk with Miram Kava in this episode on abolition. She shares

her insight and her wisdom on the culture abolition inspires us to create.

Miriam Kaba is an organizer, educator, and curator.

Her work focuses on ending violence,

dismantling the prison industrial complex,

transformative justice, and supporting youth leadership development.

This is a conversation I've really been excited to share with you all for months and I hope you enjoy it.

All right, so this is actually a conversation I've been so excited to have and Maryam Caba, I just want to say thank you for being on this podcast.

Thank you for being in conversation. This is really, I think, going to be a really important conversation for the folks listening to this podcast today. So thank you.

Thank you so much for the invitation. I look forward to the conversation.

So, you know, this podcast is called Finding Our Way and what we are doing, the project,

is bringing voices together, people together, who we feel like are a part of a constellation of people

that are helping us to create a new future and new possibilities.

We may not each individually have the answer, but we have some piece of it that we feel like if we weave them together

It helps us navigate to where we're headed so we start every episode with the question that you can answer however speaks to you but the question is where are we how would you define this moment how would you describe this moment where are we?

Yeah, what a question.

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