Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Mary Ann Sullivan. And this is Jasmine Singer. And this

week, Jasmine, we'll be talking with Kathy Stevens, who is the executive director of Catskill

Animal Sanctuary. And they are going to be talking about this hugely important topic

that I didn't even know was a thing.

And that is the impact of climate change on some animal sanctuaries.

And in particular, of course, the very drastic changes

that are taking place at Catskill largely because of climate change.

Yeah.

Wow.

What is, like, who knew?

Well, when I lived in Santa Cruz, which I lived in for like a year and a half, I guess,

there was a sanctuary there that moved to upstate New York, to Western New York,

and now it's here, which is Sweet Farm, which they've made Sopperter.

We interviewed them. Yeah, we interviewed them. But they were not in Santa Cruz, but they were

not too far from Santa Cruz and they moved there to New York for climate reasons. And so I guess it

was like sort of on my radar, but then the New York Times came out with this huge story recently about Kathy's

sanctuary and just this topic of the problem of where to find ground. And I found this

interview to be very inspiring and informative. So I'm looking forward to sharing it with everybody.

All right. Well, I want to ask you a lot of questions because you probably discussed them in the interview, but I'm really intrigued. I'm wondering, like, what is it? You had one other interview with a pig sanctuary. I don't know whether they moved because of climate, but they also moved all of their animals across country. Yeah, and I have to tell you, that was odd man in, by the way. I have to tell you,

I do bring this up in my chat with Kathy, but like a few years ago, I moved from L.A. to New York

in a rented RV with four animals, and they're all like... So you kind of moved your sanctuary,

for climate reasons? For climate reasons, but they're all like under 15 pounds. And it was so hard.

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