RERUN - Creating Equal Partners Through Division of Labor with Eve Rodksy
Conversations with Cam
Cameron Oaks Rogers
4.7 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 26 November 2025
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
In this episode (originally aired on 6/5/24), I sit down with Eve Rodsky, creator, founder, and author of Fair Play: a life-management and household organization system. Eve and I discuss her feminist upbringing and how her experiences in the corporate world were inhospitable to motherhood, how she created the Fair Play system and why a “blueberry text” from her husband was the catalyst, and why it’s essential to change from the reactive to the systematic when implementing change. Eve talks about the burden of invisible work that women so often take upon themselves in the home, she explains how the Fair Play cards work, and we discuss listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load. Finally, we talk about why it’s so hard to have these conversations with our partners, what defines a “unicorn space” versus other types of fun, and why it is essential for our happiness and longevity to create “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments in our lives.
Key Takeaway / Points:
Why I recommend Eve’s method to anyone who will listen
On “Fair Play,” Eve’s life-management and household organization method
Eve’s upbringing in a post-70s feminist wave
Eve’s experience as a young mother in the corporate world
Why America isn’t designed to support mothers
On the goal of being consistently interested in your own life
Why “hobbies” are not serving us
The “blueberry text” that led to Eve creating the Fair Play system
On changing from the reactive to the systematic
On invisible work and “The Shit I Do” spreadsheet
A deep dive into how the Fair Play cards work
Listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load
Why it’s so difficult to have these conversations
Why society views women’s time as infinite
On the sanctity of “unicorn space”
On creating “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments for yourself
Stream the Fair Play documentary on Hulu HERE
Read Fair Play HERE
Buy the Fair Play card deck HERE
Watch this episode on YouTube HERE
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Instagram: @fairplaylife
Website: www.fairplaylife.com
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello. Welcome back to Conversations with Cam. I need to move this pillow because it's |
| 0:05.6 | driving me and saying. I am kind of loving these reruns. I'm not going to lie because now that |
| 0:13.4 | we're doing video on Spotify as well, if I have the episode video recorded, I'm getting the chance to do more lively or timely |
| 0:28.0 | is the word. Timely is definitely the word. More timely intros and recording those. And I don't |
| 0:33.1 | know why I could have done this the whole time. I could have done more timely intros. And I didn't. So here we |
| 0:39.2 | are. I am very excited to reshare today's episode because it's one of my favorite episodes. It is a |
| 0:45.4 | topic I feel so incredibly passionately about. Truly, it is one of those things I will get on my |
| 0:54.1 | soapbox and talk about to anyone with |
| 0:56.6 | ears and that is division of labor so today's episode is with eve rodsky she is a star among stars |
| 1:04.3 | a pioneer in this space I love her to death I am honored to be an acquaintance of hers now ever since this recording. |
| 1:11.8 | I recently saw her in person, heard her speak, got to catch up. She's amazing as ever. |
| 1:17.2 | And this episode really just holds true. And I think it continues to shed light on a topic that |
| 1:24.6 | we need to be discussing more. So we will get into that, |
| 1:27.9 | but first let's do a little bit of an update |
| 1:30.3 | of what's happening in a more timely manner. |
| 1:34.0 | I am so deep in Dancing with the Stars, |
| 1:36.9 | I don't know what to do. |
| 1:38.4 | And this episode is going to release the morning after the finale, |
| 1:41.4 | so there's no possible way for me to put my thoughts of the actual |
| 1:51.1 | result into this episode. I mean, I guess there is, but I'm not going to be recording at |
| 1:55.7 | midnight. And I am just crossing my fingers and hoping with every fiber of my being that we see |
| 2:03.5 | Alex and Val holding that mirror ball. |
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