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REMEMBERING THE FIRST COLD WAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND COLD WAR: 6/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA by Liza Mundy (Author)

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🗓️ 20 May 2024

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REMEMBERING THE FIRST COLD WAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND COLD WAR: 6/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA by Liza Mundy (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Sisterhood-Secret-History-Women-CIA/dp/0593238176/ref=asc_df_0593238176&mcid=d8b024f8944a3cfb869a04c0b84ba964?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80608071597838&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584207596928557&psc=1

Created in the aftermath of World War II, the Central Intelligence Agency relied on women even as it attempted to channel their talents and keep them down. Women sent cables, made dead drops, and maintained the agency’s secrets. Despite discrimination—even because of it—women who started as clerks, secretaries, or unpaid spouses rose to become some of the CIA’s shrewdest operatives.

They were unlikely spies—and that’s exactly what made them perfect for the role. Because women were seen as unimportant, pioneering female intelligence officers moved unnoticed around Bonn, Geneva, and Moscow, stealing secrets from under the noses of their KGB adversaries. Back at headquarters, women built the CIA’s critical archives—first by hand, then by computer. And they noticed things that the men at the top didn’t see. As the CIA faced an identity crisis after the Cold War, it was a close-knit network of female analysts who spotted the rising threat of al-Qaeda—though their warnings were repeatedly brushed aside.

After the 9/11 attacks, more women joined the agency as a new job, targeter, came to prominence. They showed that data analysis would be crucial to the post-9/11 national security landscape—an effort that culminated spectacularly in the CIA’s successful effort to track down bin Laden in his Pakistani compound.

Propelled by the same meticulous reporting and vivid storytelling that infused Code Girls, The Sisterhood offers a riveting new perspective on history, revealing how women at the CIA ushered in the modern intelligence age, and how their silencing made the world more dangerous.

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0:00.0

I'm John Nutser with Liza Mundi.

0:07.0

Her new book is The Sisterhood, The Secret History of Women at the CIA.

0:11.0

It is the summer of 2000, again and again, the CTC, the Alex station have been

0:16.3

alerting that there's movement, there's information, there's reason to believe

0:20.8

they're going to attack the United States, not overseas.

0:25.2

It reminds me so much of how Roosevelt and his staff believed the Japanese were going to

0:30.0

attack Singapore.

0:31.8

They were not didn't think that it would be attacking the United States.

0:35.6

Who would attack the United States, this ragtag bunch that lives in caves?

0:39.8

Well, Cindy Storer and Barbara Sue, and Gina Ben from State and certainly

0:44.8

Heidi Fields Heidi Field, Heidi August who was running CTC for a moment at this point,

0:49.7

recognize that they are not ragtag at all. They have the capability.

0:54.0

And Liza, you can't change history.

0:57.0

So the day of the attack, where everybody is and how they respond to it.

1:02.0

What is their memory now? You've talked to all of them. What do they remember about that day?

1:06.7

They all remember being in the building when it happens and they remember seeing, watching it on CNN.

1:13.8

I mean that's essentially how the CIA found out

1:15.8

about the 9-11 attacks on CNN,

1:17.8

even though just as you say that women had been warning,

1:20.2

they had been writing about it,

1:21.4

they had been trying to thwart it. And the CIA and the Clinton then Bush administration have been trying to figure out what they could do about bin Laden. Should we assassinate him? Should we try to kill him? Can we do that?

1:32.7

What if civilians are put in danger?

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