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With me in Airlines, I wonder if there's asbestos they put in my blanket now. Should we just make this at the beginning of the episode? Perfect. Good. All right. We'll just jump right into it. This is Recode Media of Peter Kafka. That is me. The guy who are laughing behind me is Jason Hirschorm. Hello. We're talking about naps and Chinese food and Italian food. I think that's going to be kind of the gist in the vibe of this podcast. They are Jewish Ambien. If you don't like the vibe, you're hearing bailout now. But don't go yet. Let me tell you more about what's happening. I'm part of the Vox Media Podcast Network here at Vox Media headquarters in New York City.

You knew that probably.

You also know that I'm about to ask you to tell someone else about this show.

Thank you.

As I said, back here with Jason Herschhorn, a two-timer at RICOad Media, a very select group. In all fairness, the first ever interview was too short.

I think it was only three hours.

We clocked in at an hour. I literally

ran out of the room. You were still talking. You would have gone for another hour. You were, unnecessary, honestly. I could have just gone on. And then you told me, oh, that was great. I'm going to do my own podcast series. Yeah. That was, what, a year and a half ago? Yeah, a little life got in the way, but I am working on it now. I have three formats I'm working on, and I'm actually

excited, and I've learned a lot by listening to you.

I got to say I was excited that you were going to get in the podcast business, a little worried, because you're pretty good talker. No, but you're smart. I just, I got the one for the morons. You get the dummy guy. But also, you're a good talker.

Thank you.

I'm wondering how you'll be as a listener.

We'll see.

Well, are there guests on the show?

Fuck.

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