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slash Peter. This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That is me. I am part of the Vox Media Podcast Network here in New York City. It's very warm here, so I hope you're cool wherever you're listening to this. And if you're listening to this, as you are, please tell someone else. Thank you. I'm here with Judd Legham. Did I get it right?

That's right. Woohoo. Founder, editor-in-chief of Think Progress. Now has his new thing called

Popular information, which is a newsletter. Judd, you're like the great Venn diagram of all the

RICO media guests. So you're a guy who's building his own business via

newsletter, eventually a subscription. So that's one half of all our guests, trying to figure out how

to get someone to pay for that information. And you are someone who rose to prominence really

the last few years because of the Trump administration and the renewed interest.

And what did we call it politics or national nightmare or both?

Yeah, I'd say I basically have been doing the same thing for most of my career, but I think

it's a buyer's market or a seller's market for progressive media, you know, in the last

couple of years.

Let's rotted out.

People who are interested in Trump.

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