Recode Decode: Facebook’s former security boss Alex Stamos and Twitter co-founder Ev Williams (Live)

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.3 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2019

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Alex Stamos, the former Chief Security Officer at Facebook, and Ev Williams, the co-founder of Twitter and CEO of Medium, talk with Recode's Kara Swisher in these live interviews from the 2019 Collision conference in Toronto, Canada. In the Stamos interview: Is Facebook misunderstood?; Stamos’ proposed solutions; legitimate candidates vs. the Russians; how to protect ourselves from all election attackers; the weaponization of Facebook’s products; America’s reluctance to regulate; breaking up Facebook and Google; why big companies need to stop rewarding employees with stock; Stamos’ recommendations for Mark Zuckerberg; and is Facebook actually committed to change? And in the Williams interview: Why he left the board of Twitter; where social media is right now; why his venture firm Obvious Ventures doesn’t invest in social; its investment in Beyond Meat; Williams’ theories of venture investing; the lack of diversity in what companies get venture funding; how techlash has changed Silicon Valley; the many iterations of Medium; would Williams buy established media companies?; and is he worried about the media? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:48.0	Hi, I'm Karras Swisher, the editor at Large of Recode.
0:53.0	You may know me as the CIO of Facebook, which stands for Chief Irritating Officer, but in my spare time I talk tech, and you're listening to Recode Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.
1:03.0	Today we're going to play two live interviews I just conducted in Toronto, Canada.
1:07.0	I spoke with Facebook's former chief security officer, Alex Stamos, who left the company last year and was deeply involved in the Cambridge Analytical scandal.
1:14.0	I also spoke with Twitter co-founder, Ev Williams, who's now the CEO of the blogging platform Medium, and a partner at obvious ventures.
1:22.0	These interviews recorded live on stage at the collision conference in Toronto, so let's go there now to hear both of them starting with Facebook's former chief security officer, Alex Stamos.
1:33.0	Hi everybody, I'm Beth.
1:37.0	So Alex and I know each other really well, so we'd like to argue with each other about a lot of things, and we were most recently up in Napa Valley at the stunning resort, and all we did, we were in a wine cellar, and we started screaming at each other essentially.
1:52.0	So we're hoping to replicate that here a little bit.
1:56.0	So let's talk about some of these.
1:58.0	I'm going to give you, I'm going to go off from our discussion, one of Alex's contentions, even though he talked a lot, and he's been one of the more forthright people in tech about what happened at Facebook and other places, is that it's misunderstood.
2:13.0	So one of your audiences that Facebook is misunderstood, is that correct?
2:18.0	But I think there's a lot of directionally correct criticism where the details are wrong.
2:25.0	So directly correct, they ruin democracy and so.
2:29.0	No, I don't think Facebook is ruin democracy.
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