So we're talking about reality and facing reality, which is very difficult thing to do in all the

powers that be. You're trying to sell you a fantasy version of your life, which is one of the reasons

I have just been thrilled to be reading this new book by Mary Harrington. I talked about Mary

a couple weeks ago and I'm now almost done. I'm more than halfway through her book, which is called

Feminism Against Progress. Mary is a reactionary feminist. The only kind of feminist we talk to on the

show and her book is Feminism Against Progress. It is really terrific. Just riveting work of

intellectual incisiveness. She is also a contributing editor at On Her. Mary, thank you so much for

coming on. Thank you for having me. So I'm just enjoying this book so much, but to begin with,

can you explain to the audience, you come from a very, very odd history to get to where you are,

to become a reactionary or actually reacting to your own life in some ways. Can you explain a little

bit of your journey here? Yes, I'm a progress apostate. I'm a progress atheist, but I'm also an

apostate from a great deal of the stuff that you talk about on this show and you talk about on

the daily wire generally. I guess I was I was born in the late 1970s and grew up in the 1990s at

peak progress when we all believe the progress, never ending progress could go on forever before 9-11

and before the Great Crash and everything which has happened since. And I was an earlier doctor,

I guess, of all of the woke world views and the broadly progressive beliefs which have since come to

eat pretty much everything you care to name. I leaned into all of that stuff until very seriously

and it was just part of how I wanted to approach life and I genuinely thought that this was this

was the only ethical and authentic way to be in the world. I guess I fell off the wagon to

got a very long story short, very short. So yeah, to cut a long story short, I fell off the wagon,

a number of personal events just lifted the scales from my eyes in a very painful way, a whole set

of things which I was working on fell apart and I came out the other end of that. Having

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