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Reach Financial Independence Faster: Backdoor & Mega Backdoor Roth Explained

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BiggerPockets

Education, Investing, Business

4.53K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Want to build tax-free wealth even if your income is too high for a Roth IRA? In this episode, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench are joined by CPA’s Amanda Han and Matt MacFarland. They break down the Backdoor Roth IRA and Mega Backdoor Roth strategies step-by-step. You'll learn how the Backdoor Roth works, how to avoid costly tax mistakes, how the pro-rata rule can impact your conversion strategy, and when the Mega Backdoor Roth may allow you to contribute tens of thousands of additional dollars to Roth accounts each year. Whether you're pursuing FIRE, optimizing your retirement accounts, or looking for advanced tax planning strategies, this episode covers everything you need to know. Connect with Amanda Han and Matt MacFarland Website: https://www.keystonecpa.com/pages/about-us Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amanda_han_cpa/?hl=en To go beyond the podcast: Kick start your financial independence journey with our FREE financial resources - https://biggerpocketsmoney.com/ Subscribe on YouTube for even more content- www.youtube.com/biggerpocketsmoney  Connect with us on social media to join the other BiggerPockets Money listeners - https://www.facebook.com/groups/BPMoney We believe financial independence is attainable for anyone no matter when or where you’re starting. Let’s get your financial house in order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Today, we're breaking down exactly how to set up a backdoor Roth and a mega backdoor Roth,

0:06.5

step by step, the mistakes to avoid, and how this strategy can accelerate your path to financial

0:12.3

independence. Let's get into it.

0:19.1

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money podcast.

0:22.5

My name is Mindy Jensen, and with me as always is my Hazaroth IRA co-host, Scott Trench.

0:27.6

Mindy, that was a great step one for introducing this podcast.

0:30.9

For step two, I'm going to lead us to a conversion into the actual content of today's show.

0:35.4

We are super excited to be talking about this topic today and are bringing on two experts and familiar faces in Amanda Hahn and Matt McFarland to help us discuss how you can be doing the backdoor Roth contribution and the mega backdoor Roth contribution the right way. So Amanda and Matt, welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money podcast. Welcome back. Can we jump into it and you tell us what

0:54.3

exactly a backdoor Roth is and who it's for? Yeah, well, thanks for having us, guys. It's good to be back. It's always good to talk to you guys. Yeah, I mean, mega backdoor, backdoor Roth. It's a great strategy for those high-income earners out there who are making too much money to directly contribute to a Roth, right? The IRS likes to put it in their Congress likes to put in rules and say,

1:11.7

hey, if you make too much money, you can't contribute to a raw, but this is

1:14.3

kind of that, we'll call it that workaround to let's you still get money into a tax-free environment

1:18.3

for your future wealth building. And what are those limits? IRS does not like to make things easy

1:23.9

for us, right? So they put limitations around who can actually contribute. What are the

1:30.9

income limits? Yeah, so for 2026 limits are still coming out, but for 2025, single person, if you made

1:38.2

over $165,000, you were kind of capped at not being able to contribute directly to a Roth. And then for a

1:44.0

married couple, if you made over $246,000, your ability to contribute to a Roth

1:49.3

was limited. So thus the people are looking at potentially utilizing the backdoor Roth for

1:53.6

sure. And just to preview this, the backdoor Roth and the mega backdoor Roth are kind of,

1:58.0

in my opinion, very silly loopholes. Like it's a very mechanical, very easy exercise

2:03.5

if your employer allows it to make a backdoor

2:05.9

and anybody can do the backdoor Roth.

2:08.3

It's kind of like, why do we have this limit

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