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Welcome to rationally speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

I'm your host, Julia Galef, and my guest today is Brian Kaplan.

Brian is an economist at George Mason University and a repeat guest on rationally speaking.

We're going to be discussing today Brian's latest book, which has been climbing the New York Times bestseller list. It's titled Open Borders, the Science and Ethics

of Immigration, and it's co-authored with Zach Wiener-Smith, who is also a regular on rationally speaking.

And it's a very dynamically illustrated case for open borders. So that's what we're going to be talking about

today. Brian, welcome back to rationally speaking. It's fantastic to be back, Julia. I really enjoyed

the book, as I mentioned to you. And Zach's not here with us today, but his illustration of you

as a kind of jaunty guide to Open Borders, leading the reader,

you know, graphically, literally leading the reader through the arguments for Open Borders was,

I thought he captured your essence really perfectly.

Yeah, I thought he did a great job.

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