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Welcome to Rationally Speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

I'm your host, Julia Galef, and I'm trying something a little different for this episode.

Instead of one conversation, I have two separate guests on a similar topic.

I got the idea from the fact that I like to read two or three books at the same time on the same topic to get kind of a 3D look at it,

like binocular vision. So our topic today is changing your mind or shifting your perspective,

and both of my guests approach the topic from a position of unusual compassion and empathy.

I'm delighted to introduce Stephanie Lep.

She is the creator and host of the Reckinings podcast, which I suspect listeners of rationally speaking will greatly enjoy.

It's about Reckonings, which is Stephanie's great word for really significant changes of mind, the kind of changes that

force you to reckon with your life, your identity, maybe your sense of right and wrong.

Her guests include a former neo-Nazi, former climate change skeptic turned climate change

activist, Facebook executive who came to see social media as harmful.

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