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🗓️ 15 May 2025
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This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Natalie Orpett, Tyler McBrien, and Daniel Byman to talk through the week’s big national security news, including:
In Object Lessons, Tyler delighted in the Financial Times’s trolling of its own “Lunch with the FT,” in which Sam Altman’s kitchen and gross misuse of olive oil becomes a bizarre metaphor for OpenAI. Natalie delighted in some hometown, Pope-town pride (and some Lou Malnati's pizza). Scott delighted in discovering both Dolcezza and their affogato with decaf espresso, a dessert for those who crave flavor and excitement but who also like sleep. And Dan, in utterly failing his wife, delighted in reaping the benefits of her Mother’s Day gift: a little contraption that sits somewhere between wellness hack and medieval torture rack.
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0:26.9 | and The Aftermath. |
0:31.5 | I'm always up before the birds and the kids. |
0:35.0 | Good thing Costa Express is always up too. |
0:39.0 | Early starts are easier with great coffee. |
0:41.8 | And if I grab one for Bob, I might even get some decent company. |
0:46.6 | Large cappuccino for the bloke who's half asleep. |
0:49.2 | Oh, you legend. |
0:51.6 | Now that's a proper coffee. |
0:53.4 | Should kick in Justin Sanfut to remember which end of the screwdriver to use. |
0:58.3 | Costa Express, quality coffee every time. |
1:04.9 | Dan, I could be wrong. |
1:06.2 | I think I saw you at a park this weekend. |
1:09.0 | I was juggling babies and barbecue, but there was a man trying to hide |
1:13.6 | a semblance of yours, his celebrity status underneath a hat and sunglasses walking two dogs. |
1:19.1 | Could that have been you? It was a Georgetown t-shirt, which was a bit of a giveaway. It kind of broke the disguise. |
1:23.6 | Well, I live in Chevy Chase, and there's actually a statutory requirement that you have to have a doodle if you live in the area. |
1:30.5 | So, yes, that is, that was definitely me. |
1:34.4 | I think Bethesda also has that ordinance. |
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