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I hear the word love rising in our time. A question of what love can mean as a practical

public good, and the only thing big enough to meet the hate we've come to treat so seriously in our

midst. Love is the most reliable muscle of human transformation, and Rami Nashishibi and Lucas

Johnson are young, visionary models and teachers of this. They're picking up the call to love that

drove the civil rights generation of their parents and showing how it would pragmatically transmute

justice, power, nonviolence, and community organizing now. I've developed a course

about community organizing as a spiritual practice because I think there was a lot in this idea of

beginning with the notion that, you know, we all have a stake in this. You know, the returning

citizens, the brothers on the corners, the young, I mean, we, I think from the justice standpoint,

you know, one of the things that we think about a lot in the context of language is this idea of

calling out and calling up. For us doing that at granular spaces like the corner store,

make it real. I think that there's this place where we have a responsibility to hold to the power

of love that we know to be true and to not allow the world around us to deaden that in ourselves.

I'm Christa Tippett and this is on Beying.

This conversation unfolded at the 2018 on-beying gathering at the 1440 Multiversity

among the redwoods of Scotts Valley, California. Since this conversation, Lucas Johnson has joined

on-beying as executive director of our Civil Conversations project.

So, we have an hour now with Rami Nashishibi and Lucas Johnson.

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