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On Being with Krista Tippett

[Unedited] Atul Gawande with Krista Tippett

On Being with Krista Tippett

On Being Studios

Sociology, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality, Krista Tippett, Arts, Culture, On Being, Society, Society & Culture, Science, Social Sciences

4.710.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2019

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

We are strange creatures. It is hard for us to speak about, or let in, the reality of frailty and death — the elemental fact of mortality itself. In this century, western medicine has gradually moved away from its understanding of death as a failure — where care stops with a terminal diagnosis. Hospice has moved, from something rare to something expected. And yet advances in technology have made it ever harder for physicians and patients to make a call to stop fighting death — often at the expense of the quality of this last time of life. Meanwhile, there is a new longevity industry which resists the very notion of decline, much less finitude. Fascinatingly, the simple question which transformed the surgeon Atul Gawande’s life and practice of medicine is this: What does a good day look like? As he has come to see, standing reverently before our mortality is an exercise in more intricately inhabiting why we want to be alive. This conversation evokes both grief and hope, sadness at so many deaths — including our species-level losses to Covid — that have not allowed for this measure of care. Yet it also includes very actionable encouragement towards the agency that is there to claim in our mortal odysseys ahead.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Support for On Being with Christa Tippett comes from the Fetzer Institute, helping build

0:04.3

the spiritual foundation for a loving world.

0:07.0

Fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force

0:11.6

for our lives, a powerful love that helps us live in sacred relationship with ourselves,

0:17.0

others, and the natural world.

0:19.2

Learn more by visiting Fetzer.org.

0:22.2

I'm Christa Tippett and this is On Being's Unheard Cut.

0:25.9

Next, my unedited conversation with citizen physician Atul Gawande.

0:31.4

There is a shorter, produced version of this wherever you found this podcast.

0:36.2

Hi Atul.

0:37.2

Hi.

0:38.2

Hi.

0:39.2

It's Christa Tippett.

0:40.2

Atul Gawande?

0:41.2

Atul, how are you?

0:42.2

I am good.

0:43.2

Thanks for doing this.

0:44.2

I'm so happy.

0:45.2

Oh, I'm glad to be here.

0:47.4

This is going to be fun.

0:48.4

I'll have to tone off my phone.

0:50.4

Let me do that.

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