Hi, this is Janet Lansbury. Welcome to Unruffled. Today I'm welcoming Susan Lynn to Unruffled.

She's been a hero of mine for such a long time. I've been aware of her work for years now.

She's a writer, a psychologist. She founded Campaign for a Commercial Free Childhood.

And she's a research associate at Boston Children's

Hospital and a lecturer at Harvard Medical School. She is also a ventriloquist and even

appeared on Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood. Susan's authored three books, Consuming Kids,

The Case for Make Believe, and her latest, who's raising the kids. I'm looking

forward to talking to Susan about how big tech and big business can infiltrate our children's

lives and influence their values, their relationships, and their learning, and what we can do about it.

Susan, oh, thank you so much for being here. This is such a treat for me. I'm thrilled to be

talking to you, so. You know, you've been a big hero to me for a very long time. And I remember

back when you were taking your baby can read and then baby Einstein to task for the false

claims that they were making, taking parents money. These companies, they prey on our vulnerabilities.

We all want to do the best for our children. So you stood up and you did all the work to get them investigated and you put

your baby can read completely out of business basically, right? Yeah, you know, the idea that they

were claiming that babies can read with no evidence that they could teach babies to read and that it was good for babies

to read was just terrible. And with, you know, baby Einstein claiming that these videos were

educational for babies when they had no evidence. And when there was starting to be evidence

that a lot of screen time isn't good for babies or toddlers.

So I'm really glad that campaign for commercial free childhood,

which is now called Fair Play,

I'm really glad that we were able to do that. I mean, the organization was founded by

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