You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan is joined again by friends and colleagues Susan Kim, Abby Wong-Hefter, and Wendell Moss,

as they continue their conversation around race and trauma.

Susan, Abby, and Wendell share some painful details of their stories, revealing

ways in which they have been harmed, dismissed, or even threatened because of the color of their

skin. They go on to disclose ways in which even well-meaning white people from Christian communities

have at times hurt them through words and assumptions. Although these conversations

can be painful and disruptive, we invite you to join us as courageous listeners and compassionate

followers of Jesus. We're following up our first podcast on race, racism, racial trauma,

and I am with dear friends. and dear friends, I'm going to

pose to you again the question. So Susan, Abby, Wendell

take us where you wish, but I want you to at least ponder. What has it meant

to be not in the majority, not a person whose skin gets ignored

because we presume that everybody else is like us. Your bodies, your face, your skin color

has put you in a position where, for many, you are other.

I wonder what it has been like for you to have experience,

not only in our culture, but in the community of God's people.

It's such a big question um and you know on my decades on this earth like i feel like there's like so many like where to even begin but um like even as i was pondering the question

anticipating coming here today um gosh you know i just had this recollection of the story of when

i was um like in first grade and um my parents are immigrants and so i'm part of the 1.5 generation

um where i was born in korea but grew up, I came to the U.S.

when I was a baby.

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