You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan is joined by three friends and colleagues, Wendell Moss, Susan Kim, and Abby Wong Hefter.

Together, they begin a conversation around race and trauma, inviting listeners to engage as learners.

The episode includes an honest conversation about race in light of the Allender Center's history. Finally, the four address a few of the

common myths around racial trauma. It is our hope that you will engage this conversation

with curiosity, humility, compassion, and courage.

And you'll know that we see it as vital to our work in trauma and vital to our work in the

kingdom of God.

I have the privilege of being with three-year friends, and we are going to address the issue of

racial trauma and the complexity that comes with bearing different skin, different face,

different body from the so-called majority. And as we step into this conversation, it is one

with a lot of complexity, a lot of difficulty. And as I do so,

it's very good to be with friends whom we have been in a process, sometimes poorly handled,

sometimes better addressed, but to be with three friends, Wendell Moss, Susan Kim, and Abby Wong Hefter.

And as we approach this topic, I want to almost immediately say our efforts are not to try and create a resolution as much as to begin a conversation

and one that does not hopefully denigrate on our part or anyone's part into a kind of take sides,

escalate the rhetoric and in some sense shut down actual communication. What we're going to ask you

as an audience, irrespective of your own experience, of your own life, but even more so of your

own opinions and values, to take a stance as someone who's willing to listen and learn and experience the world

from a different perspective, and that's my stance particularly in our time together.

So if I can just say, would you mind just like telling people a little bit about yourself?

You don't have to go into demographics,

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