Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically. Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Professor of Christian ethics and dean of the faculty at

Talbot School of Theology here at Biola University. I'm your co-host

Sean McDowell, professor of apologetics at Talbot School Theology, Biola University.

We're here today with Dr Elizabeth Corey, who is a professor in the Honors College at Baylor

University. In fact, she directs the honors program

within the Honors College there at Baylor University.

I met Elizabeth in the summer of 2018

at the Act at Acton University and heard a lecture of hers on race and intersectionality.

And after the moment after you finished, Elizabeth, I thought we've got to get you on the podcast to talk about this so we're

really delighted to have you with us and so thanks so much for coming on with us.

Well thanks for having me I'm glad to be here.

Thanks. You've, uh, you write about, you've written a lot about diversity and

race and intersectionality is sort of the newest trend in the discussion on race and diversity on

college campuses.

But before we get the intersectionality, let's go back just a little bit more at the

30,000 foot level. You write in several places about

two competing frameworks in which the discussion on race and diversity is viewed in the university across the country today.

What are those two frameworks and how are they different?

That's a good question to start with.

I am actually borrowing from moral psychologist Jonathan Hate or

height. There's some dispute about how to say his name who has written a lot about these issues and he has proposed a dichotomy between two

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