Welcome to the podcast Think Bivocally, conversations on faith and culture.

I'm your host Sean McDowell, professor of Apologetics at Taubit School Theology, Biola University.

I'm your co-host, Scott Ray, Dean of the Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics in Taubit School

of Theology, Biola University.

Today we're here with the Talbot Professor of Philosophy, Greg Gansle, who's written a fascinating

book that we want to talk about called Our Deepest Desires.

Great, thanks for coming on, but let me start by asking you.

Tell us a little bit about your story.

What led you just as a person essentially into caring about the life of the mind and Christian philosophy?

Well, Sean, when I came to Christ as a high school student, it ignited some thinking in my life.

I began to think about more and more of my life Christianly. And as I went to university and was involved in a campus ministry I was

challenged by the questions my fellow students were asking and that sent me to reading any books I could find to figure out how do you

answer the questions that people are asking and that quest began in the early 70s and it's continued to this day.

You've written a book that I really love, I've told you this,

again called Our Deepest Desires,

but it's different than a typical apologetics book.

In fact, you say you're not trying to show that Christianity is true, but kind of that people

would want it to be true.

Tell us the thinking behind the unique approach

that this book takes.

Well, I've noticed that, to be honest,

people do not care if Christianity is true. Most people have the idea

...