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Hey guys, it's Kathy Heller. Welcome back to the podcast.

We have such a deep conversation to share with you today.

You know, people say, this is deep, this is so amazing.

And we throw these words around and I get it.

I've done 620 or so interviews.

And truly, I'm always blown away.

And then there are certain conversations which just crack your heart right open.

And this is one of those conversations. I think you're going to find it just really nourishes you.

So I'm really excited to dive into it.

I also want to say that I'm so excited because this coming Monday,

we have our retreat in Malibu and it is sold out.

We have 80 beautiful women from all around the world really coming together.

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