I think that the holidays feel like frozen noses. I love walking with the dog for long periods of time,

hopefully it's snowing and you've got to wrap up warm. So I think a frozen nose is

a sweaty armpit because like you're wrapped up so warm but then you're climbing hamps

to the teeth and you get to the top and you're like and then you can see the breath

but then your nose is still freezing to touch.

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Welcome back everyone to the Michael Steel Podcast. We are having an enlightening conversation

with Andre Henry, award-winning musician writer activist and the author of I think the profoundly

engaging and important book. All the white friends I couldn't keep hope and hard pills to swallow

about fighting for black lives. Under before we went to break we were talking about this

idea of the movement and you express as you do in the book that this this energy around

creating a movement that actually begins to push up against this sort of quiet sort of safe

space that a lot of white folks want us to be in and want to create.

So I guess I questioned that a little bit in the face of the movements that have gone before.

Certainly what we know from the 50s and 60s in the civil rights movement but even movements

in the past the movement to to respond to lynching in the country the movements to respond

to you know the enslavement of black people to begin with which led to the formation of the

party I belong to the Republican Party out of the wigs and the reconstruction period.

So also you had these these pressure points in history that kind of create an outcome.

How is the movement you're referring to different because one element for me in and we were

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