I think that the holidays feel like frozen noses. I love walking with the dog for long periods of time,

hopefully it's snowing and you've got to wrap up warm. So I think a frozen nose is

a sweaty armpit because like you're wrapped up so warm but then you're climbing hamps

to the teeth and you get to the top and you're like and then you can see the breath

but then your nose is still freezing to touch.

Joy in every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.

Hey everybody, Michael Steele and welcome to the Michael Steele podcast. So great to have you

with us today. Interesting conversation coming up with Francis Fukuyama, senior fellow at

Stanford University's Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies. Francis is the author of

a new book on liberalism and it's entitled liberalism and it's discontent. We get into how liberalism

has been in a battle with neoliberalism and the contention between conservatism and liberalism.

Not not big L liberalism but small L liberalism. We'll get into that in a whole lot more in a

great conversation coming up next on the Michael Steele podcast.

I think that the holidays feel like frozen noses. I love walking with the dog for long periods of

time, hopefully it's snowing and you've got to wrap up warm. So I think the frozen nose is

then sweaty armpits because like your wrapped up so warm but then your climbing hamps

the teeth and you get to the top and you're like and then you can see the breath but then your nose

is still freezing to top. Join every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.

It is a real real pleasure to have Francis Fukuyama join us to talk about this book.

It's a new book. This is a thinker baby. You get into this one, have a nice merlot and a no-pad

or papers or pen because you want to highlight as you go through here. You take on a lot in this book

around this this idea of liberalism. So I want to have a little bit of fun just putting context

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