PT565 – From Individualism to Connection: How Psychedelics and Group Therapy Can Heal Our Collective Crisis, with Geoff Bathje, Ph.D.
Psychedelics Today
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4.6 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 15 November 2024
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Kyle interviews Geoff Bathje, Ph.D.: licensed psychologist, researcher, former Full Professor, and co-founder of Sana Healing Collective, a Chicago-based non-profit focusing on ketamine-assisted therapy and psychedelic integration.
He talks about what he feels is one of the largest factors in our mental health crisis: the individualistic and neoliberal lens Western culture has placed on mental health and how it neglects the massive systemic and relational factors that are affecting us all. He digs into how we got so alienated and how psychedelics and non-ordinary states of consciousness can not only help us think critically and solve problems, but also move us out of this individualistic framework of healing and more into a collective one. How do we use psychedelics to fix our relationships and find our community?
He discusses:
- The challenge of knowing when to work for relationships and when to just end them, especially in the afterglow of a big experience
- Group ketamine experience vs. individual, how groups can help facilitators find patterns, and how ketamine works with somatic therapy
- His paper, "Psychedelic integration: An analysis of the concept and its practice" and his visual model of integration showing the different domains of our personal experience
- What he thinks will happen next in drug development: Will therapy be left out after Lykos' failure with MDMA?
- The importance of moving beyond aggressive criticism and moving into world building
and more!
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Psychics today. My name is Kyle Buller and I am the host for today's |
| 0:14.1 | episode. And today I get to chat with Dr. Jeff Beechi. Dr. Beci is a former full professor |
| 0:20.5 | and currently a licensed psychologist |
| 0:23.2 | focused on ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, psychedelic integration, and harm reduction in group and |
| 0:28.4 | individual formats. And he is also a policy advocate and community organizer, working on issues on |
| 0:35.0 | social justice, psychedelics, and ending the war on drugs. And Dr. Bashi is also |
| 0:40.6 | the co-founder of the psychedelic-focused non-profit, the Sanaa Healing Collective. And in this episode, |
| 0:47.4 | we chat about psychedelic integration. We also chat about the importance of collective healing |
| 0:52.2 | over individual approaches and how some of those |
| 0:55.6 | individualistic views of mental health can really lead to feelings of isolation and inadequacy. |
| 1:01.0 | We talk about the importance of the relationship in the healing process and the importance |
| 1:05.4 | that community plays with psychedelic integration. We also chat about ketamine-assisted psychotherapy and the importance |
| 1:12.7 | of being trained in the complexities of psychedelic-assisted therapy, which also includes the |
| 1:19.0 | transpersonal phenomena that might come up during sessions. So if you want to learn more about Dr. Bashi's |
| 1:25.3 | work and the Sanahealing Collective, you can check |
| 1:27.6 | that out at saunahealingcollective.org, and that's S-A-N-A-healing collective.org. |
| 1:34.1 | So with that, I hope you enjoy this episode with Dr. Jeff Bashi, and we'll catch you on the other side. |
| 1:42.6 | Jeff Bacchie, welcome to psychedelics today. Really excited to have you on. I've been following your work for |
| 1:48.4 | quite a while and you put out a really great integration paper a number of years ago. And thanks for |
| 1:54.8 | including us in your analysis there. So it was really cool. Yeah. Yeah, could you give a little bit of |
| 2:00.1 | background? How did you get involved in psychedelics? What was your path? Yeah, it was really cool. Yeah. Yeah, could you give a little bit of background? How did you get involved in psychedelics? |
| 2:02.3 | What was your path? |
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