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PT564 – How Safe is Ibogaine Therapy? The Delicate Balance of Risk and Efficacy, with Thomas Feegel

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Life Sciences, Science, Medicine, Health & Fitness

4.6598 Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2024

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Joe interviews Thomas Feegel: co-founder of Beond Ibogaine, an ibogaine treatment and research facility in Cancún, Mexico.

When Feegel first heard of ibogaine 16 years ago, he found that people were having great success, but nobody could recommend where to go for treatment. So he worked to create what was needed: a combination of a hospital, mental health treatment facility, retreat center, and resort, with the proper infrastructure in place, employees with ICU experience, exhaustive HIPAA-compliant admission criteria, regular data collection, and a major focus on safety.

Addressing the recent Rolling Stone article about the tragic death of a patient at Beond in 2022 (interestingly, 2 days after his initial dose), he discusses what he feels was inaccurate, largely related to what could be perceived as a suggestion that there wasn't enough screening or that corners were cut. With no official reason given for the patient's death, it brings into question just how safe one can be, especially with people whose bodies and hearts have been through so much. How much hidden harm is created by the stress of PTSD and addiction?

He discusses:

  • The complexity of journalism and drawing conclusions from limited information
  • The limitations of conventional addiction treatments and the sad numbers around how many people stick with rehab
  • The importance of collecting as much data as possible about each patient, at regular intervals, prior to, during, and after the experience
  • The need for a regulating group to create standards around admission and administration procedures for ibogaine

and more! 

We're releasing this episode on Veterans Day because Beond's program was co-developed by veterans, military medical personnel, and active-duty law enforcement officers who have seen how much ibogaine can help. If you know a vet who is struggling, be sure to let them know what's possible with psychedelic therapy. 

For links, head to the show notes page

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, everybody and welcome back to psychedelics today. Joe Moore here. Today on the show,

0:15.6

we have Tom Fiegel. Tom is with Beyond, B-E-O-N-D, a ibogaine clinic and retreat in Cancun, Mexico. And we are discussing some,

0:26.6

call it dirty laundry that some outlets have been airing. And we get really deep into the core of

0:33.3

the story. And I think with some really important detail, you know, that was missing from some of

0:39.7

those articles. And I think hearing it from Tom is really great because we get to understand

0:44.9

what's going on there and, you know, dissecting what was what was written about. So I think

0:50.5

I still am a huge believer in Iboga. I'm a huge believer that we need to just keep working towards making it safer and safer.

0:58.4

And that's a sort of collective effort, helping the drug war and could help quite a bit.

1:03.4

But other than that, I think getting people together to help develop better and better standards, I guess, of care.

1:09.0

And after talking to Tom, I think they're really

1:11.3

leading the way here in safety. And I really think this story deserves this podcast. So,

1:17.9

thank you, Tom and beyond for coming on the show. And I really am grateful that you came to us

1:24.6

for this story and interview. So I hope this helps folks understand what

1:29.6

happened and then can better contextualize Ibogicibicine treatments for themselves. All right.

1:37.1

I think that's it for now. Thank you all for tuning in and we will see you on the other side.

1:41.3

Thanks again, Beyond and Tom for joining.

1:47.4

Hi, everybody, Joe Moore here.

1:49.5

Welcome back to Psychedelx Today.

1:50.9

I'm joined today by Tom Fiegel of Beyond.

1:54.2

How are you doing today, Tom?

1:55.6

Good, Joe.

1:56.3

Thank you very much for having me.

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