Welcome to Back from the Abyss. I'm Dr. Craig Hecock.

Two quick notes before we jump into this mind-blowing episode.

We're about to learn a lot about Saj Ravvi's psychedelic somatic model.

And to clarify in the session that you will hear today, the client is using both ketamine

and intranasal oxytocin to promote connection and trust.

And also, I want to make sure all listeners understand what somatic therapy is.

Sematic therapy is using words and intentions to access what's going on in the body

versus psychotherapy, which is using words and intentions to access what's going on in the mind.

And yes, body and mind are intimately connected, even one. But somatic therapy

is arguably a more accessible portal into the heart of trauma, because as Bessel van der Kolk reminded us,

while the body keeps the score, the mind erases the score. So let's jump right into the return of Saj Rasmi to Back from the Abyss.

So it's such a treat to be here today with Saj Rosvi, my dear friend, and hugely popular contributor to Back from the Abyss.

I've been doing the listener survey analysis,

the most popular episodes that we've done,

Sajre, part one and part two of healing trauma

with psychedelics from season one.

And that was such a meaningful thing to record.

And last year, we had a really fun talk

about transference and countertransference

satism.

And now, season three, we're back with you,

and we're doing a really interesting kind of deep dive on transference, but this time

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