Primer’s Sean Gourley: “AI is the biggest change to war since the internal combustion engine”

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9 • 654 Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson things on Sean Gourley, founder of Primer AI, to talk about how he got into the industry (3:45), and then getting into counterintelligence (6:40), the image recognition revolution (9:00), raising money from the CIA (11:00), AI in war (16:30), how machines beat human Top Gun pilots (20:00), AI as the “third offset” (22:00), how the US is still living with a Cold War mentality (27:30), the AI arms race with China (30:00), the long ties between the Pentagon and Silicon Valley (34:15), how it has become easier to recruit (37:30), the Chat GPT effect (40:40), the next weapon of mass destruction (45:00), and Tiktok and the information war (48:00).

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0:32.4	Yo! Technology. What is it all about?
0:36.9	One of the latest ones was catamachine pilot, and I think they were F-16s, but I don't know, maybe they were F-22s.
0:43.5	Pilot a plane better than a human top gun.
0:46.7	And they ran this. There were five, I think five or six teams that entered.
0:49.9	The winning team that went against the human.
0:52.8	So it was a human top gun and a simulator against
0:54.5	a machine.
0:55.3	In a dog fight.
0:56.3	In a dog fight, one-on-one, right?
0:57.8	One-on-one.
0:58.7	The machine beat the human five-zero, not even close.
1:01.5	I mean, one way to think about it is autopilot on steroids.
1:04.5	And it's got so good now that it's better than the best human.
1:09.1	And the next step on that.
1:10.4	So Maverick and Goose are screwed.
1:12.4	Yeah, the goose is cooked, right?
1:14.2	Yeah.
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