PREVIEW: Vladimir Putin Threatens Escalation Over Tomahawk Missiles to Ukraine; Response Likely More Bark Than Bite GUEST NAME: John Hardie (Foundation for Defense of Democracies) 100-WORD SUMMARY: John Batchelor and John Hardie discuss Vladimir Putin's t
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🗓️ 13 October 2025
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GUEST NAME: John Hardie (Foundation for Defense of Democracies)
100-WORD SUMMARY: John Batchelor and John Hardie discuss Vladimir Putin's threats of escalation if allies provide Tomahawk missiles and other tools of war to Ukraine. Hardie suggests that Russia has been "more bark than bite" throughout the conflict and is extremely unlikely to resort to tactical nuclear use. Putin's response might be asymmetrical, perhaps strengthening air defense or stepping up "gray zone actions" in Europe, or supporting the Houthis. Direct military retaliation against a NATO member is improbable because Putin recognizes he would lose such a war.
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| 0:25.2 | of Democracy, it's about Lennemar Putin threatening escalation in the event that |
| 0:30.9 | Tomahawk missiles and other tools of war are conveyed via allies to Ukraine. John is very colorful by saying bark, not bite. |
| 0:43.3 | However, what is likely to be Putin's response? Here's John Hardy on the threat and the evidence |
| 0:50.5 | in the past of how Putin responds to what he calls escalation. More of this tonight. |
| 0:58.8 | No, and if you look at, you know, throughout the war, I think the Russians have really been |
| 1:03.0 | more bark than bite when it comes to their response. You know, it's a lot of talk. You know, |
| 1:09.2 | they've not resorted to tactical nuclear use in Ukraine. |
| 1:12.8 | I think they're extremely unlikely to do so in response to Tomahawks. |
| 1:17.4 | I think Putin, even though within the past few days, basically said, you know, Russia's response would be to strengthen its air defense. |
| 1:23.6 | So you may see some sort of asymmetrical response, maybe like kind of stepping up these gray zone actions that we've seen in Europe recently. |
| 1:34.0 | Maybe it's, you know, providing additional support for the Houthis or something like that. |
| 1:39.2 | But I think it's pretty unlikely that Russia would try to retaliate directly, like at an actual active war against the NATO member. |
| 1:48.7 | And, you know, they have yet to do so throughout the war, despite the kind of decisive support provided to Ukraine by Western countries. |
| 1:56.9 | So, you know, and I think there's really good reason for that in that President Putin knows he would lose a war with NATO and doesn't really want to risk that. |
| 2:04.1 | There you have a question. |
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