This is John Batchel, conversation with colleague Mary Kissel, Executive Vice President

Stevens, Incorporated, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State, about Venezuela, the bad

actress in Caracas, and the flood of Venezuelans seeking another place to live or survive

until their country has returned to liberty.

The question is, all the Venezuelans who came to the U.S., was that a purposeful policy of the Biden administration

to allow millions of people to cross the border without vetting,

without knowledge where they're going or what their fate is?

Mary answers in detail.

Venezuelans in America, along with all the other, now millions of people who've come to America

without documentation during the Biden administration.

More of this tonight.

I don't think you can look at the upsurge in migration during the Biden term and not say

that it wasn't purposeful. I think it was purposeful. I think like many other policies, be it

migration or some of the changes that were made, for instance, within the State Department,

where they took down an entire bureau that we

had set up in Trump One to evacuate Americans from difficult places all over the world. They

reverse that. And when the Afghanistan debacle happened, suddenly they had no infrastructure

to evacuate our people. I think lots of those things happened across agencies simply because they just wanted to reverse what Trump had done.

And really, I don't think there was much thinking beyond that.

And in terms of the migration issue, it served a political end. I don't think anybody can look at a porous southern American border

and say that that's good for U.S. national security. I don't care what your politics are.

When you can't vet people who are coming in, bad people will get in. And as we've found,

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