This is John Batcher, conversation with John Hardy of the Foundation for the Defense of democracies

about Ukrainian offensive, not the cursed salient, but the drone-lodering munitions and

missile offensive, especially the drones.

The attacks, John, identifies in two categories.

Energy infrastructure, we've seen that over many months, the refineries, and the new category.

Air bases, here's John Hardy to describe how he sees the Ukrainian loardering munitions drone attack and what it means for Russia, what it means for

all of Russia.

More of this tonight.

So I think you're seeing basically two main trends with Ukrainians in their long-range drone

strikes.

So one is going after energy infrastructure, which they've done in recent months,

and struck a lot of it, although I think the Russians

have quietly repaired much of the damage infrastructure.

Another part of the Ukrainian kind here is striking Russian air bases.

So just a few days ago we saw an airbase, Marinofka Air Base struck by Ukrainian one-way attack you

a kind of stocks that have been piled up on the in hangers on the air base.

So that's the kind of two-pronged thing that Ukraine is doing with the long-range drones.

And as you mentioned

the Ukrainian official is alluded to the fact that the range for these drones

is ever increasing so and the warheads are getting more sophisticated, the drones themselves, the navigation systems getting more sophisticated.

And that work really isn't stopping. So Ukraine's ability to kind of reach out and strike Russia and bring the war home and damage

Russian critical infrastructure that supplies money for for Moscow or to

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