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This is John Bachelor. This is a preview of my conversation with Rick Fisher, the International Assessment and Strategy Center, about how the Russian space program, the oldest and most successful man space program in world history, works with the Chinese space program, much of the technology that Chinese using now comes from the former Soviet now Russian Roscosmos.

However, the Russians meeting another failure, the Lunar 25 crash on the high altitudes, the southern part of the moon, have called into question whether Russia is a free rider or whether China welcomes Russia's participation, especially in these early days of building a plan to get to the moon and establish a lunar base.

The puzzle is how these two allies, question mark, adversaries, question mark, frenemies, question mark are going to work together now and in the future. Here's Rick.

The Chinese really want the Russians to be an active participant here and they don't mind that the Russians have their own capability to get to the moon because that just makes the International Lunar Research Center coalition that China is building.

It gives the appearance of being diverse and inclusive, if you will, but the Russians failing to pick up that responsibility to keep up appearances is probably very vexing for the Chinese.

And on top of all of the expense of actually developing their own moon architecture and beginning to pay for missions to the moon having to shoulder the added burden of paying for Russia to go there as well, at least in the early missions of the Iron Man International Lunar Research Station, that must be causing some degree of angst and anger in Beijing.

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