Have you ever felt like escaping to your own desert island?

Jane Gaskin did exactly that, trading in the family home to begin a new life in the

tropics.

But she soon discovers that Paradise has its secrets.

I'm Alice Levine, and this is the price of Paradise,

the island dream that ends in kidnap, corruption, and murder. Wish you were here.

Follow the price of Paradise Now, wherever you listen to podcasts.

This is John Bachelor, speaking with Professor Tyler Anbinder about his new book

Plentiful Country. This is the story of the great famine, potato famine in

Ireland and the making of the Irish New York.

People came 1847 to 1850 and afterwards fleeing the starvation in Ireland and the want

and the want and the

the abuse by the English masters

and prospered in New York,

despite the prejudices, which the professor makes very clear

were a combination of religion and then the inarticulate

in crude way the 19th century understood races superior races, inferior races.

All quite fantastic. However, the success, despite all that, and

this is Michael J. S-A-U-S-E. The professor speaks of him as Judson Sauce because he presented himself as a dance professional.

And the professor will explain how, despite the prejudices, Judson Sauce becomes famous not only in New York, but in America.

Professor Tyler Anbinder, plentiful country, much more of this in the second hour tonight. Second hour of the book, later tonight.

So, so exactly Judson Sauce, he goes by Judson because it doesn't sound very Irish and he he already has a not very sounding

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