PREVIEW. HEADLINE TOPIC: Analysis of Drones in Polish Airspace and Ukrainian Barrage GUEST NAMES: John Hardie, Bill Roggio GUEST NAME AND TITLE: John Hardie of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, Bill Roggio of the Foundation for Defense of Democ
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GUEST NAMES: John Hardie, Bill Roggio
GUEST NAME AND TITLE: John Hardie of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, Bill Roggio of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies
PREVIEW: John Hardie and Bill Roggio joined John Batchelor to discuss recent drone activity, including a barrage of 815 drones against Ukraine and 19-20 Shahed-type drones entering Polish airspace. These drones, possibly decoys without warheads and potentially fitted with extra fuel tanks for range extension, originated from Belarus amidst an exercise. Hardie doubts the Polish incident was an accident, citing flight paths, number, and extended range capabilities. NATO tracked all drones, intercepting those posing a threat. The discussion aims to determine if the incursions were purposeful or accidental, providing a helpful analysis of the events.
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| 0:25.7 | of Democracy. Bill Rajo joined us. Question of the drones that crossed into Polish airspace |
| 0:31.7 | some days before. Accident? Purposeful? To what end? John answers some of it here. Very helpful to understand the analysis of those drones, especially whether they were fitted out for long range or short range conduct. They came out of Belarus. There's an exercise underway, Zapad in Belarus, |
| 0:55.0 | that could explain drones going awry. |
| 0:57.4 | But John Hardy, FD, much more of this tonight. |
| 1:02.2 | Week or so, we saw the largest barrage yet of drones, |
| 1:06.5 | something like 815 or so against Ukraine. |
| 1:10.5 | Then we saw, of course, the large... like 815 or so against Ukraine. |
| 1:21.2 | Then we saw, of course, the large bombardment that included maybe 19 or 20 or so drones. |
| 1:26.6 | They looked to have been just decoy types without warheads, the Gerberra-type drone drone that went into Poland. And so, of course, |
| 1:31.7 | I'm sure the listeners are familiar with that incident. To my mind, if you look at the flight |
| 1:36.0 | paths, if you look at the fact that at least some of the drones appeared to be equipped with |
| 1:41.2 | additional fuel tanks to extend their range, if you look at just the number of drones that went into Poland, I really doubt that |
| 1:48.8 | was unintentional. |
| 1:50.6 | Like it's just an example of, you know, a drone going stray because of EW or whatever. |
| 1:55.6 | That to me, it seems fairly unlikely. |
| 1:59.3 | And so, you know, of course, it looks like NATO countries did a pretty decent job of intercepting at least some of them. |
| 2:07.6 | They say they were tracking all their drones and selectively intercepted those that posed a threat. |
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