This is John Batcher from a much longer conversation with my colleague Henry Sikalsky of the Non-Proliferation Policy

Education Center.

The idea that Raphael Grocy is promoting nuclear energy plants at the COP28 meeting in the Gulf.

Nuclear energy plants have a downside and it's been repeated these last decades in many countries that are

now dangerous to themselves and to the region, Pakistan, India, etc.

The danger is that as Henry explains, you start with a peaceful nuclear

power plant. What happens next is anybody's guess but too often it's a bomb. Here's Henry. Good evening. Short

answer is if you put reactors in the wrong place and we've done it you get a bomb and North Korea, India, Pakistan, Iraq with any bad luck, Iran, and Mr. Grosie, to his credit, said we got to worry about that.

Well, he seems to be Dr. Jackal on Mr. High, in that he promotes the very problem that he claims we need to worry about. You need to be careful where you put these things.

And I don't think it's smart to put them in the Middle East. Now again to his

credit he says the Middle East could be it could be a challenge but you don't get the

sense that he would ever say no trouble ahead why when you have a nuclear peaceful plant that's even safeguarded as they did in

Iran, what do you get? Oh, well, they use Boucher, in this case, Bousheer Power Station, peaceful, safeguard, as an acquisition

front and they did.

I learned about this when I served on a commission where we had the highest level of classifications and we found out that they use

Bousheer as a purchasing agent for everything that went into the bomb project in Iran and bad news.

We found out about it after all the stuff had arrived.

This is a pattern and therefore the idea that you can have your peaceful nuclear energy in a

troublesome place without the prospect of a nuclear weapon is, I think, historically delusional.

Heads up.

Saudi Arabia is our next stop.

Thank you.

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