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This is John Batcher, conversation with colleague colleague Henry Sakalski, the Executive Director of the Non-Proliferation Policy Education Center,

about drones, the invention of drones in the battlefield, drones in Ukraine battlefield, and how both sides are

using those drones as offensive weapons.

What are they striking?

Henry identifies the vulnerability of any state. It's not the front lines.

Here's Henry Sikalski on drone warfare in Ukraine practiced today. All the world is watching and everybody be aware

that you're not defended against what you're about to hear. Henry Sikalsky

more of this later.

I think it right now, both Russia and Ukraine are not very well actively descended and not that able to deal with strikes against critical infrastructure,

which is a fancy word for oil, gas, electricity, trains, in a really bad day, you know, hospitals.

That is a sitting target now,

and I think it advantages the offense or the aggressor.

And that's part of the reason I think we're allowing or simply not getting too explicit publicly in our objections to Ukraine striking Russia because gosh knows Putin is going after the

electrical system in Ukraine with a with a absolute vengeance.

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