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🗓️ 21 January 2022
⏱️ 8 minutes
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Continuing our discussion from the main episode, we go deeper into the denialism mess with Pavlos and ask ourselves what COVID and society's response might tell us about a possible revolutionary horizon. How do approach the real issues in the world without seeing like a state? We also discuss a second article written by an Italian collective, Wu Ming, that has a different take on the backlash against mandates: https://illwill.com/conspiracy-and-social-struggle
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| 0:00.0 | I hate to be that person but I feel like you guys are going to agree with me. |
| 0:04.0 | The pandemic broke a lot of people's brains obviously on a very basic level. |
| 0:11.0 | But I think a lot of what we're talking about, |
| 0:14.8 | whether we're talking about the left or the right, |
| 0:18.5 | or just, you know, normies having reactions. |
| 0:22.3 | Like, I really, it all ties back in my mind |
| 0:28.0 | to the absence of an international left movement with any teeth, |
| 0:34.8 | and to the depoliticization |
| 0:38.8 | that comes from the whole world having given up on any kind of anti-capitalist alternative or horizon of struggle, right? |
| 0:50.0 | Like we saw the great revolutions of the 20th century degrade from without or from within and |
| 1:00.6 | so this obvious long-term solution that's obvious to all of us doesn't even occur to most people because why would it? |
| 1:08.2 | That's fucking crazy, right? Like I feel crazy for believing it sometimes, but it reminds me of a sort of a three-way argument |
| 1:16.4 | I got into the other day with a health care worker who's like, you know, pretty liberal, |
| 1:22.1 | like Bernie Krat or whatever and this |
| 1:24.4 | Libertarian friend of mine who's always had kind of |
| 1:28.4 | Libertarian bad politics except when it comes to Israel, but that's a different story. |
| 1:34.0 | And so she was saying the health care worker, she spent 20-20 watching people die. |
| 1:42.0 | Like it was fucking horrible at the hospital. watching people |
| 1:44.2 | at the hospital and not just old people that just sick people people who look just like us |
| 1:49.3 | people who were our age you know fucking millennials who were totally healthy before they got COVID. |
| 1:55.0 | And she watched people get turned away due to strained hospital capacity. |
| 2:00.0 | So at this point, she says she would rather let the vaccine refusers die than let them take up any more space in the ICU. |
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