This is John Batchel, a conversation with my colleague, Judy Dempsey, of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

She's in Berlin about Ukraine, asking if the European public, EU public, 27 nations in all different directions, support Ukraine, support the remarks of Herr Merits and Mr. Starmor,

Mr. Macron, and Donald Tuscalin,

that Ukraine must be supported by taking the night train from Warsaw to Keefe

and standing with Zelensky, despite the continued deprivations

by the Russian forces.

I'm thinking of the extreme drone attack over these last days and burning Keith.

Judy answers severally, yes, yes, but.

Supporting the weapons, supporting the money. However, there is more needing than just Ukraine in support. There's an understanding that NATO is now in doubt. Judy Dempsey

on, does Europe support Ukraine's resistance to the Russian aggressor?

Much more of this tonight.

I think generally speaking, the Europeans are committed to Ukraine.

And, I mean, it varies.

The Nordic, the Scandinavians, Central Europeans,

and non-EU, Britain, Germany as well, France, they're committed.

But what does this commitment mean?

Yes, to give political support.

Yes, they give financial assistance.

And they give military assistance,

but it's not enough. But so far they are committed. But this commitment has to go beyond

the elements of the political support and the economic support. It needs military support,

intelligence, logistics,

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