This is John Batchelor, a conversation with my colleague, Anatole Levin, the Quincy Institute,

about an interview, an exit interview given by Anthony Blinken, the Secretary of State,

about what he's learned and what is undone in these four years in the State Department.

Speaking of the election, the question is, did Mr.

Blinken hear the American people say no to the policies of the Biden administration,

especially with regard foreign policy?

And it holds speaks to it exactly and has a recommendation for the Democratic Party.

More of this later.

Well, I know.

I mean, that I thought was perhaps, well, apart from Gaza, the worst thing about the whole interview.

Because, I mean, nobody can take that statement seriously.

And, I mean, what worries me, you see, is it is not Blinken personally, but, you know,

the Democrats do need to have a really serious internal discussion about their approach to foreign and security policy

and where this went wrong and how this contributed defeat.

Well, you know, this is not a good start from Blinken to that debate.

Well, it did because he wouldn't debate it.

They're getting their...