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Talking Feds

Presenting The Alabama Murders from Revisionist History

Talking Feds

Harry Litman

News, Politics, Government

4.8 • 4.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

After releasing Harry’s conversation with Carol Leonnig and Aaron C. Davis two days early to sync up with the publication of their new book—Injustice: How Politics and Fear Vanquished America's Justice Department—Talking Feds is hosting a special preview of another podcast that’s exploring the consequential issues that impact, and define, American culture: The Alabama Murders, a new series by bestselling author Malcolm Gladwell's Revisionist History podcast. Entangled in an affair with a parishioner, a Northwest Alabama minister makes a devastating choice. Rather than face the shame of divorce, he arranges for three men to kill his wife. One of the men convicted in her murder, Kenny Smith, spent decades on death row, only for his execution to go horribly wrong. Eventually, the consequences lead to the center of a hot national debate on who should be allowed to live, who should die, and how the state should kill them. On The Alabama Murders, Malcolm asks: why, in our efforts to alleviate suffering, do we so often make it worse? If you want to hear the full story, find Revisionist History wherever you get podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi everyone, Harry here. Normally, I'd be coming to you with another one-on-one conversation today,

0:14.9

but things are working a little differently this week. We wanted to get you my conversation with Carol Lenig and Aaron Davis,

0:24.0

on their certain to be bestseller on the Department of Justice, injustice on the very first day

0:31.5

of its publication. The book is a rich and meticulously researched account of the turbulent ordeals at DOJ over the last seven years.

0:42.6

If you haven't listened yet, I hope you'll check it out.

0:45.5

It's the first conversation Carol and Aaron taped on the book, and it's wide-ranging and I think very insightful.

0:53.1

But not to leave you empty-handed this Thursday,

0:56.4

instead we have a really special offering.

1:00.7

Today, we're sharing another podcast and not just any other podcast.

1:06.1

Rather, it is the first episode in the new season

1:09.8

of Malcolm Gladwell's Blockbuster podcast series

1:14.5

revisionist history, which focuses in Malcolm's signature style on overlooked and misunderstood episodes

1:23.1

in American history. This season is entitled The Alabama Murders, and it tells the story of Charles

1:31.4

Senate, an Alabama Church of Christ Minister, who, while having an affair, arranged for three

1:38.1

men to murder his wife.

1:40.9

One of the men convicted in the murder, Kenny Smith, spent decades on death row only for his

1:48.1

execution to go horribly wrong. The series isn't about just this one case, though. It's about how

1:55.5

the systems we've created to bring fairness and justice too often only uphold an illusion of those values and instead

2:05.4

result in legal, moral, and institutional failures. As I think you'll see, the Alabama murders

2:13.2

is a simple but searing critique of cruelty in America, and I think you'll find it both compelling and discomforting.

2:21.8

To hear the full story, go to Revisionist History,

2:26.2

available wherever you get your podcasts.

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