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So we're back here in sub-stack with Tamra Pittski,

who was a whistleblower in Washington State,

and during our full episode, she told us

kind of her story of what she saw at Multicare

and everything that has transpired since.

And given your firsthand experience

with a lot of these issues,

do you have any advice for parents

if they are taking their child to, let's say, some sort of a clinic or mental health facility,

and their child is got complicated mental health issues and some gender stuff,

and they want to talk with the clinicians there about not

rushing not affirming do you have any advice for parents on how to get that message

across to the therapists who might be just kind of following protocol like they were doing a multi-care.

Yeah, I think that's a tricky question.

I...

Because I had this conversation with my boss actually at one point. I said, what about these poor

parents? Like these people are coming in bringing their kids and they think that we're going to help

them and instead we're just like

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