Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

And this is Gender, a wider lens, a podcast dedicated to the shifting concepts around gender in our contemporary culture.

Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we seek to open up the discourse around this hot button issue.

Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.

How's it gone Sasha? How's life? It's going, Sasha. How's life? It's going well. We have a solo episode today which is nice. We have not sat down one-on-one and

chatted for quite some time. It's nice to see you and talk with you I know every time we have a solo episode we just think oh my God that was brilliant we really like

chat psychology yeah we do what's going on in your world, Stella? You're obviously in a new room, we know that.

Yeah, yeah, so many people have told me sort out your background and I'm like, okay, okay, okay, I'll start out my background so this isn't me

sorting my background I've moved rooms and then I'm gonna try and make the background nice we'll

see I've this is my kids games room so they look a little bit shocked like what the

hell is going on but I think it's all for the good for the family mom is taking

on the game room for now.

Yeah, yeah just for just for these zooms.

I'll see I'll see how it goes.

It's a nice view at the window so that's pleasant.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I'm going to check that out. Check out when you need a plant. Everybody tells me I need a plant.

Yeah, I have a couple of, I have a plant that's hanging back there behind me so and I have some plants here but you can't see them

It's funny because I think our backgrounds are actually very reflective of us

Do you follow me? Yours is very organized and clean and tidy and

very you and mine is chaotic and I hope it's somewhere different and always kind of

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