Hi. Hello Sasha, how's it going? I'm fine Stella, how are you? I'm good, I'm good. This was a lovely episode, a very kind of inspiring episode.

Yeah, we talked to Tamara Pittsky, who we kind of think about as an unlikely whistleblower, as you'll hear her in the episode.

She said, my friends laughed when they discovered that I was in this position because they thought I was the least likely person to become a whistleblower and frankly Tamara didn't even know the term whistleblower until somebody used it about her.

So she is, as you'll hear, she's very soft spoken,

she's thoughtful, she's very sweet,

and when she was working at this clinic called multi-care

She started seeing things that really concerned her around very complicated young people with serious trauma,

serious abuse in their background,

with very dehumanizing identities.

We're not just talking about your typical kind of,

I'm a trans guy and I'm proud kind of situation. We're talking

about really complicated bizarre identities like animal identities and things

like that and when she spoke up about her concerns,

she was really shut down at every kind of step of the way

by colleagues, by managers, higher-ups.

And so, you know, in launched her experience of trying to speak out and, quote, blow the whistle.

And it was lovely to speak with her today.

Yeah, I think a key part of the of the Tamarpizki's story is the fact that she is a gentle,

soft-spoken, moderate person who has no need, not standing on any soapbox, no major need to come on

podcast or radios to give her opinions, doesn't actually have strong opinions I'd, often in life.

If you follow me, one of life's moderates in every aspect of the word.

And I think that speaks to what insanity is arguably going on, that she could see that this is not right, that they are extremists, and extremists had taken over the workplace, and her moderate opinion she actually had to be

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